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Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 22, 2012 09:09 PM

So, the book of faces had the biggest IPO in history, with the initial price supposed to be $28/share. All the hype prompted their underwriters (lead underwriter Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan Chase - which just lost 2-3 billion dollars on speculative trading - & Goldman Sachs) to issue 25% more shares and jack the price up to an astounding and lofty $38/share, which valued the company at a stunning $104 Billion. On the first day of trading, the stock briefly hit $45/share before plummeting, prompting Morgan Stanley to intervene by buying shares until they came back up to the IPO price.

They couldn't prop up the stock forever...

Did I mention the stock closed today at a mere $31/share? That's an 18% loss in a mere 3 trading days.

And now the other shoe drops:


Reuters reported (today) that Morgan Stanley alerted at least some investors during the Facebook IPO roadshow to a gloomier revenue forecast for the social network from the investment bank’s consumer Internet analyst.

“It’s extraordinary if in fact they did that,” said Geisst. “The public won’t understand or see it, but they will feel it.”

According to Reuters, fellow underwriters Goldman Sachs (GS: 97.53, +1.02, +1.06%) and JPMorgan Chase (JPM: 34.01, +1.50, +4.61%) also cut their revenue estimates around the same time.

That means that all three lead underwriters of the Facebook deal that valued the company at a whopping $104 billion increased the size and scope of the IPO while simultaneously growing less bullish on the stock.

“The allegations, if true, are a matter of regulatory concern” to the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority and Securities and Exchange Commission, Rick Ketchum, chairman of FINRA, told Reuters.




Translated, that means that those big wall street firms tipped off big institutional investors of financial weakness while leaving individual investors in the dark, and increasing both the initial offering price and the number of shares to be sold in order to take advantage of as many ill-informed investors as possible.

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Look for a LOT of litigation to come from this, and if anyone needs even more proof that Wall Street needs reigning in, this is a good example. Since this was so hyped, there was a lot of individual investors buying the IPO and thus a lot of people lost a lot of money while Zuckerberg got his and Morgan Stanley made $67 million in fees. Of note, the cost to Morgan Stanley of propping up the stock on the first day may be enormous - possibly far more than it made in fees.


As a result, Morgan Stanley may have spent billions of dollars to support the stock price by buying shares in the market. Some market participants said that the underwriters had to absorb mountains of stock to defend the $38 level and keep the market from dipping below it.

The firm did this by tapping into a 63 million share over-allotment option, or greenshoe, according to sources familiar with the deal.

As an indication of the cost, had Morgan Stanley bought all of the shares traded around $38 in the final 20 minutes of the day, it would have spent nearly $2 billion. Underwriters are not obligated to prop up a stock on debut, but typically do.

Morgan Stanley declined to comment.




I think it's safe to say this whole thing was a pretty massive clusterfuck.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

MAY 22, 2012 09:39 PM

But...but...but...free market!!!

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 22, 2012 10:40 PM

One more thing: the "A" shares on IPO offer carry one vote per share; Zuckerberg's retained shares ("B" shares) carry 10 votes per share. Not much is better than this at pointing out management's disdain for investors.

Facebook's class A vs B shares explained

Augi

Augi

USA
November 2011

MAY 23, 2012 06:35 AM

Wow. Thank you for the summary.

r00kers

r00kers

Nederland, CO
February 2003

MAY 23, 2012 09:19 AM

Having been around a number of startups, there are often two (sometimes more) classes of stock. The initial (angel/VC) investors are usually first in line but if the founders hold any power, they often have a special class also.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAY 23, 2012 09:30 AM

Stiles said:
One more thing: the "A" shares on IPO offer carry one vote per share; Zuckerberg's retained shares ("B" shares) carry 10 votes per share. Not much is better than this at pointing out management's disdain for investors.

Facebook's class A vs B shares explained



I think that is pretty common.


(edit: Rookers beat me)

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 23, 2012 11:04 AM

Yeah, the big problem here isn't the two classes of stock, it's that big investors may have been tipped off to poor revenue figures before the public was told and before the stock went on sale, which is a pretty huge deal.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 23, 2012 11:09 AM

PointBlank said:

Stiles said:
One more thing: the "A" shares on IPO offer carry one vote per share; Zuckerberg's retained shares ("B" shares) carry 10 votes per share. Not much is better than this at pointing out management's disdain for investors.

Facebook's class A vs B shares explained



I think that is pretty common.


(edit: Rookers beat me)



Sometimes, sure - but not in combination with what happened here.

Zuckerberg retains only 28% of the stock but that stock controls 56% of the voting power, which effectively shuts out control of the company from stockholders, in spite of selling 72% of the company. Maximum dollars for him with essentially zero accountability.

When you combine that with the cynical boosting of the share price & the raising of the number of shares in the face of negative financial news not released to general investors, you get a very clear picture that Zuckerberg & co are only interested in this IPO for the money and have little regard for shareholders, their interests or protection.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 23, 2012 11:11 AM

bean said:
Yeah, the big problem here isn't the two classes of stock, it's that big investors may have been tipped off to poor revenue figures before the public was told and before the stock went on sale, which is a pretty huge deal.



I didn't say that the two classes of stock was a big problem in and of itself, or uncommon in the tech industry. I said it illustrated managements' disdain for investors (which it does).

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 23, 2012 11:22 AM

Here's a decent article about why this (and other deals like it at Zygna and Google) is undesirable and illustrates a contempt for investors.


At heart, these arrangements are expressions of contempt for the very principle of taking a company public. Facebook didn't have to go public to raise money, of which it had plenty in the bank. It was pushed into doing so by federal law, which mandates public financial disclosures once shares in a company become distributed to a large enough insider group. Zuckerberg was indisputable king of Facebook the private company; so why should anything change for Facebook the public corporation?

"The idea is that the rest of us should be happy to go along," says Charles M. Elson, an expert in corporate governance at the University of Delaware. "You're assuming he's infallible, but if something goes wrong, you're powerless."

It won't do to argue that Zuckerberg's actions still affect only Facebook. As head of a public company, his actions will be scrutinized at a granular level as never before. The reverberations will be seen not only in their direct effect on the company itself, but in how they are regarded by investors in the stock market, whose take will in turn affect how the stock is priced and therefore the value of portfolios, small and large, in which they are held. That's a lot of responsibility for someone who must be considered — even if you accept his fawning treatment by the press — a novice.

It's not as though Facebook has clear sailing ahead. Its user growth rate has already slowed, its weak spot is advertising on the mobile devices through which more than half of its users log in, and major advertisers such as General Motors question whether Facebook ads work at all.


Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 23, 2012 11:28 AM

double double

pascipio

pascipio

Irving, TX
July 2002

MAY 23, 2012 11:53 AM

Voting shares allow a publicly held corporation to operate like a privately held corporation. Investors should be aware of this.

semiretiredpunk

semiretiredpunk

USA
March 2007

MAY 23, 2012 02:24 PM

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

MAY 23, 2012 02:34 PM



*slap*

SergeantPsycho

SergeantPsycho

USA
January 2007

MAY 23, 2012 04:34 PM

Coyotemike said:
But...but...but...free market!!!



Makes me glad I decided to save my pennies for for a GTX 690 instead. B)=osSSSSSSS

Darke

Darke

Columbia, MO
June 2005

MAY 23, 2012 08:37 PM

So shouldn't the people who offered insider tips and those that used them be, like, arrested?

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAY 23, 2012 09:15 PM

Darke said:
So shouldn't the people who offered insider tips and those that used them be, like, arrested?


FREE MARKET

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 24, 2012 01:11 AM

Darke said:
So shouldn't the people who offered insider tips and those that used them be, like, arrested?



The first 6 lawsuits have been filed against Facebook, NASDAQ & Morgan Stanley. The Massachusetts state government also issued a subpoena against Morgan Stanley regarding their dissemination of information ahead of the IPO... and that's not all:


Regulators were also reported examining what happened with the underwriters, and the banking Committee of the US Senate was also informally gathering information on the case.

"If true, the allegations are a matter of regulatory concern to FINRA and the SEC," Rick Ketchum, the chief executive of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, said in a statement.



Never a dull moment...




motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAY 24, 2012 01:25 AM

Man. If this actually gets going, it could be really vicious.